UK Airspace Scenery Project

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:26 pm

As most people are aware, the default data shipped with FSX/P3D dates back to 2006 at the latest and probably some before that!
For the past couple of months I have been quietly working on a not so little project to update the airspace in FSX/P3D so that it matches the real world as defined in the UK AIP.
My blog with further details if you're interested is here: http://www.flightsimscenery.blogspot.co.uk/
Cheers K

Avidean · Post by **Avidean** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:39 pm

Thanks you kevin. I have bookmarked that and I will soon
get a hankering for the British isles again and get into the details.

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:12 am

New updated files created including ENR5.1 Danger, Prohibited and Restricted airspace.
AD2 Aerodromes updated to include the new class D airspace for EGMC Southend which is effective today in rl.

Download link for files now active as well!

http://flightsimscenery.blogspot.co.uk/ ... dates.html

Wills · Post by **Wills** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:20 am

This looks fantastic Kevin - Thank you!

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:18 am

No problem, I'm open to suggestions if there's any other aspect of the AIP people would find useful... k

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:45 am

...Id be particularly interested in feedback from anyone who works with default OR addon ATC packages please. I assume that correct airspace definitions will enable ATC logic to give a more accurate interaction, but I havent had time to test this. Thanks K

nigelallenby · Post by **nigelallenby** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:34 am

Hi Kevin

Downloaded your excellent UK Airspace Scenery Project and it certainty improves Plan-G that I use but found that when I'm flying VFR RAF Brawdy EGDA to RAF Chivenor EGDC as an example, I remain in Brawdy tower frequency all the time until I'm 10km from Chivenor when I'm given an option to change frequency.

I've done three flights from different airports and the same thing, can't tune to Approach frequency when leaving an airport. Downloaded your replacement .bgls and isolated the default ones but have I missed something?

Regards

Nigel

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:28 am

Hi Nigel,

RAF Brawdy doesn't feature in my work at all. In fact it was decommissioned in 1992 becoming Cawdor barracks, an army base. My scenery won't offer you any approach freq because to all intents and purposes in 2015 Brawdy doesn't exist!
RAF Chivenor is still in use as a government aerodrome, but is listed in the AIP as Chivenor Radio, indicating there will be no approach control.

The AIP information is...
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CHIVENOR ATZ
A circle, 2 nm radius centred at 510514N 0040901W longest notified runway (10/28)
Upper limit: 2000 ft - Class: G

CHIVENOR RADIO - English - H24

130.200 MHz - A/G - (See notes)
Elevation: 27 ft. - Runway length: 1833 m. -Government Aerodrome.
SAR helicopter unit. Frequency monitored subject to SAR Operations.
Gliding activities occur on aerodrome.
----------------------

My atc info for Chivenor is... <Com frequency="130.2" type="UNICOM" name="CHIVENOR RADIO"/>

The Brawdy tower information must be coming from a different scenery - have you got something installed for there please?
I can't comment on your other flights because I don't know where they were to/from, so if you want to let me know I'll see what I can deduce about them as well?

Cheers K

nigelallenby · Post by **nigelallenby** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:31 am

Hi Kev,

I'm an ex-RAF engineer and spent 23 years in the RAF from 1963-1986, (the best period in my view) and have modified a lot of airfields back to their glory days as I knew them. Due to the fact that I don't know the ATC frequencies of the airfields that are now disused, I created my own e.g:- RAF Chivenor Tower is 122.500, RAF Brawdy Tower is 128.700, RAF Upwood Tower is 129.700 and so on. I tried a search on Google for frequencies of old RAF airfields with no luck so made my own up.

If I understand you correctly because I'm using de-comissioned/old airfields with non-recognized ATC frequencies, I will never hear any approach frequencies when flying VFR from them? I noticed that the AI traffic was static at these airfields as well which is probably the reason why.

Shame, I'll have to go back to the default files.

Regards, Nigel

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:35 pm

Nigel, would you send me the scenery files for the airfields youre using please, it might be possible to easily help you out with some bespoke stuff :p My scenery as it is wont achieve what you are looking for

K

nigelallenby · Post by **nigelallenby** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 7:39 am

By "scenery files" I assume you mean the ADE .bgls for the airfields which are going to be quite a few. I also use UK2000 Vols 1 to 3 plus the Scottish Volumes by Playsims over VFR PhotoScenery.

Nigel

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Sat Apr 11, 2015 11:10 am

Yes please Nigel

Just a couple to start with so we can look at what your sim
is working with... Cheers K

I use the UK2000 as well, but not the Scottish scenery...

nigelallenby · Post by **nigelallenby** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 9:11 am

OK, Kev, but I need a e-mail or Dropbox address since this site doesn't use attachments.

Nige

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Sun Apr 12, 2015 11:34 am

Nigel, please send any info to me at flightsimscenery@virginmedia.com ...
Cheers K

kevinfirth · Post by **kevinfirth** » Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:18 pm

Nigel, I had a look at the 2 files you sent me for Brawdy and Coltishall.
My project does not add anything for these locations at all.
The files you are using specify only a ground frequency for Brawdy. I can add some airspace in for you in a bespoke file but AFAIK you'll need to have the EGDA_ADEX_ANF.BGL file modified to provide some other comms frequencies. Easily done of course, if that's something you're comfortable doing let me know what comms info you add and I'll match that.
In relation to Coltishall, EGYC_ADEX_MSH.BGL contains info for Approach, ATIS, Departure, Ground and Tower. I can work with that info to add some airspace for Coltishall.
Do you want to send me some other files to look at in the same way?
Cheers K