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AMD or Intel

Postby Seralia » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:47 am

Hey Captains


I fly now many years. Unfortunately, this DXGI_Error_device_hung has now reached me as well. installing old video drivers did not help. Updating windows to 1809 did not help either.

Anyway, I want to build a new PC. Now I'm afraid if I could get this error again with a new setup if I put on Intel.

I ask myself what is better for P3Dv4.
AMD or Intel

Feels AMD has fewer problems with this very recent error.

In addition, I have the feeling that AMD better copes with SSAA and dynamic light.

What is your experience?

Rather AMD or rather Intel?

does anyone here with AMD have the DXGI_ERROR_DEVICE_HUNG?

or problems with Performance and Dynamic Light? I got always a huge Performance hit wenn i enabled DL

Whats youre personally Experience with AMD CPU and Graphiccard?

I hope you can help me with your experience in my decision.

I look forward to your advice

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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby WarpD » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:23 pm

All I can offer is that I have an i7 system with an nVidia graphics card and I've never seen this issue myself.
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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby Simbol » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:59 pm

All I can offer is that I have an i7 system with an nVidia graphics card and I've never seen this issue myself.
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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby ArtMan » Sun Apr 07, 2019 6:43 am

My advice: forget the i7 and go for the i5 9600K.

I can overclock this one to 5 GHz+ without to high temp's.

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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby sma69 » Mon May 27, 2019 6:45 pm

A little bit late to reply but I if you haven't built the system yet, you might be in some luck cuz the new Ryzen 3000 series looks promising. just have a look over youtube for 2019 Computex and AMD....


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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby JorgenSA » Tue May 28, 2019 1:23 pm

The most important property of the processor is not how many cores it has, but how high you can reasonably run it in terms of clock speed. As an example, my i7 7700K runs at 4.2 GHz out of the box, but I have it overclocked to 4.66 GHz without any cooling issues. Arthur's i5 9600K is another example.

Also, from the back rooms of my ailing memory, I read somewhere that Intel processors are more efficient than AMDs, because the Intels "process more" per clock tick - this is where my memory is a little hazy about the details, but the general drift is good enough.

Jorgen

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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby CplDaniel » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:46 pm

A little bit late to reply but I if you haven't built the system yet, you might be in some luck cuz the new Ryzen 3000 series looks promising. just have a look over youtube for 2019 Computex and AMD....
The AMD hype train is cyclical. And Major teething problems with a new design launch can reasonably be expected. Past AMD releases for Ryzen & Radeon many times eventually get major driver/bios updates after 6-months post-release yielding instant improvements of like 10% performance boost and power savings to finally deliver an experience close to what was presented during the launch campaign. I just saw a forum-post here written a few years ago about how great Ryzen x1700 8-cores blah, blah, blah... Then we had it again with the launch of Vega + HBM's super-massive Vram bandwidth. None of the hype stuck.
We know today with hind-sight, three years later, a Ryzen 1700 bought for $349 at launch is worth $120 today (comparable in price to an old i5 four-core), while the Intel i7 7700k from the same period is still worth $261 <--confirmed via ebay auction ending in 26minutes. AMD's last two promised revolutions Ryzen and Vega both flopped here once the hype died down. Everyone running Immersive P3d at high settings and no stutters is saying right now the only way is Intel i7+ & NVidia 1080+

Don't get me wrong, I watched Lisa Su give that 90minute computex presentation at least 3-times in one night and I've watched some segments at least a dozen times. I was on board the hype train, but the lessons from history knocked me back off after a few days.
Now I think the best promise we can hope for this year is going to be *PCIx (4.0)* for moving massive scenery data to and from CPU & gfx card IF-AND-ONLY-IF paired with ultrahigh-end new design to NVMe SSD's (which will need their own heatsinks and probably best get active-cooling to operate unstuttered) to deliver huge landscape and data-files @ double the bandwidth capacity of PCIx 3.0 --BUT WARNING-- SEE MY ABOVE STATEMENT on VEGA's Great Advantage of ultra-high-bandwidth vRam which ultimately never panned out in practice for users

(except for mining, but miners don't care what cards they get as long as they get 'em. They would run on toasters in the kitchen if they could flash new BIOS)
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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby sma69 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:55 am

A little bit late to reply but I if you haven't built the system yet, you might be in some luck cuz the new Ryzen 3000 series looks promising. just have a look over youtube for 2019 Computex and AMD....
The AMD hype train is cyclical. And Major teething problems with a new design launch can reasonably be expected. Past AMD releases for Ryzen & Radeon many times eventually get major driver/bios updates after 6-months post-release yielding instant improvements of like 10% performance boost and power savings to finally deliver an experience close to what was presented during the launch campaign. I just saw a forum-post here written a few years ago about how great Ryzen x1700 8-cores blah, blah, blah... Then we had it again with the launch of Vega + HBM's super-massive Vram bandwidth. None of the hype stuck.
We know today with hind-sight, three years later, a Ryzen 1700 bought for $349 at launch is worth $120 today (comparable in price to an old i5 four-core), while the Intel i7 7700k from the same period is still worth $261 <--confirmed via ebay auction ending in 26minutes. AMD's last two promised revolutions Ryzen and Vega both flopped here once the hype died down. Everyone running Immersive P3d at high settings and no stutters is saying right now the only way is Intel i7+ & NVidia 1080+

Don't get me wrong, I watched Lisa Su give that 90minute computex presentation at least 3-times in one night and I've watched some segments at least a dozen times. I was on board the hype train, but the lessons from history knocked me back off after a few days.
Now I think the best promise we can hope for this year is going to be *PCIx (4.0)* for moving massive scenery data to and from CPU & gfx card IF-AND-ONLY-IF paired with ultrahigh-end new design to NVMe SSD's (which will need their own heatsinks and probably best get active-cooling to operate unstuttered) to deliver huge landscape and data-files @ double the bandwidth capacity of PCIx 3.0 --BUT WARNING-- SEE MY ABOVE STATEMENT on VEGA's Great Advantage of ultra-high-bandwidth vRam which ultimately never panned out in practice for users

(except for mining, but miners don't care what cards they get as long as they get 'em. They would run on toasters in the kitchen if they could flash new BIOS)
Again I'm late, sorry, But well... worth the wait, it seems we that AMD is a good cpu to consider now specially for the matter that you just mentioned " PCIe 4.0 bandwidth " , I will wait for the 3950X reviews in September and then decide what to do!

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Re: AMD or Intel

Postby CplDaniel » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:02 am

For the current Prepar3D v4 revision, I think the sweetspot may be proposed 10-core this fall from Intel or 12-core 3900x from AMD. This assumes you want to run everything on a single PC which many people do not, citing a convenience factor that comes from having applications like maps, flight planner, operating manuals, and knee-board style notes all running on a dedicated machine making it easier to route those program outputs through to a smaller dedicated display than if they were being operated on the primary sim machine. If you decide the convenience factor makes it worth having the 2nd PC anyway, then you might as well invest in the i9 9900k OC 5.1gHz because nothing will beat that at running Prepar3D v4

For planning a rig built around running Prepar3D right now, the big question must really be Prepar3D (v)5.0, which "historical timing" (ie: note the thrice occurrence of 2yr cycles in between every past P3d iteration) shows to be likely on the near horizon, perhaps bringing with it many potential design changes and ultimately the possibility that everything we know now around building for 4.0 might need to be thrown out the window for 5.0
(Although, I doubt it. The risk, though, does add a layer of uncertainty around any system build from now through 2020)
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If Anybody is Interested: that risk, I think can be mitigated today by paying a $200 premium that is the difference between going from purchasing a reasonably spec'd Z-390 consumer motherboard (currently around $150-$200 after some big recent price drops) to the enterprise-level motherboards going instead with an ASUS WS Z-390 Workstation ($349-$400) which hasn't dropped one bit in price.
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I just deleted a long hardware essay on why this motherboard specifically as well as potential limitations, because with all the configuration lists and associated numbers, it was reading like a bit of a hardware ramble. So I saved that for either revision or to use in some future post.
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Daniel


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